Matrix to release combined ANW/HCE pack

June 18, 2010 · Posted in Harpoon 1 (Classic), Harpoon 3 

As announced yesterday at the Matrix forums by Erik Rutins:

Harpoon: Ultimate Edition and Our Philosophy

There has been a great deal of discussion, debate and argument over the past, present and future path of the Harpoon simulations on the computer. Here at AGSI and Matrix, we’ve listened to what has been said. Thought long and hard about the issues raised, and made some decisions regarding Harpoon’s future that will hopefully make all fans of the series happy, both those who have played it in the past and those who still play it. We hope that explaining the philosophy behind our decisions will help clear the air and remove some of the confusion and misinformation that has been part of the complex history of these games. The new "Harpoon: Ultimate Edition" which is due to be released this summer will be the realization of these decisions and this philosophy and we hope that it will serve the existing community well, and continue to attract new naval warfare fans to Harpoon.
We will be releasing a great deal more information on Harpoon: Ultimate Edition over the next month, but here are the highlights. Harpoon: Ultimate Edition will include both a new version of Harpoon 3 Advanced Naval Warfare and a new version of Harpoon: Commander’s Edition. These will be together in one package at a price below the current combined price of both games. In addition, to celebrate the 20th Anniversary of Harpoon and to give fans who still enjoy playing the older versions a great archival edition, we will be including every previous version of Harpoon that we have access to in this package. That means over 20 classic versions of Harpoon, including Harpoon 3 (v3.6.3) and many previous versions of Harpoon Commander’s Edition / Harpoon Classic. This will allow players who have databases or scenarios tied to these older versions to continue to enjoy them for years to come, and it will also allow new players who purchase the Ultimate Edition access to this rich older content. We believe this comprehensive bundle, unlike any that has previously been released for Harpoon on the computer, represents a digital history and "Collector’s Edition" of Harpoon that every Harpoon gamer will want to have on their shelf for years to come.

As far as our philosophy, AGSI’s and Matrix’s position on the Harpoon simulations is simple. They are computer implementations of the Bond/Carlson Harpoon system models (aka the Admiralty Trilogy models). Bond and Carlson also have tabletop miniatures implementations of their models. When Harpoon was first coded in 1987-1989 AGSI tried to follow the 3rd Edition of those rules as faithfully as 8088 CPU’s and 640k of RAM would allow. Many of the missing pieces have been added over the twenty years since then and the Harpoon Commander’s Edition actually includes elements of the 4th edition models.

Harpoon 3 was born of Harpoon II written in 1994-1995 by a previous team of very skilled programmers. However, they didn’t have a lot of former Naval Officers on their team and they didn’t ask Bond or Carlson a whole lot of questions. Since regaining control of the property in 2000, AGSI has been steadily correcting course and bringing the Harpoon 3 product closer and closer to the 4th and now 5th edition of models. We believe that we are uniquely positioned among all naval simulations in this regard by having official access to the Bond/Carlson modeling concepts and experience, which means that we are able to bring you the state of the art in naval warfare simulations at the unclassified level.

There are some people in the Harpoon community who don’t like change; they are content with what they have and they want to hold onto their contributions. That’s their privilege and in fact by releasing the Ultimate Edition, we are making it easier than ever to play the version of Harpoon that you prefer. But, we want to make it clear that we aren’t going to sit still when the state of the art is advancing. Harpoon 3’s primacy is in the modeling and that is only true because it is the Bond/Carlson models. This is why military professionals around the world have used the product for training, education and analysis.

We believe that continuing to improve the fidelity of the simulation and continuing to advance the state of the art for computer Harpoon is the best way to serve our customers. Harpoon on the computer should always look forward and continue to improve along with the latest improvements and updates from the system models, rather than look back. We give credit to Harpoon’s past on the computer, but its future is not in backwards compatibility, but rather in continuing to improve along with the authoritative state of the art models from Bond and Carlson that are simply not available anywhere else.

Given this philosophy, we will still place a high value on feedback, and we always appreciate valid defect reports (aka bugs). However, because of Harpoon’s complex history there are many issues that are specific to older databases or scenarios not of AGSI’s or Matrix’s making that haven’t kept up with the modeling changes. We are responsible for the official databases and scenarios, and for informing the public regarding what changes each update entails. Third party designers are responsible for their own scenarios in this regard. If we have to choose between improving the simulation or maintaining backwards compatibility with third party data and scenarios, we will choose the former. We realize some fans of Harpoon may prefer to stay with older versions for whatever personal reasons, which is part of why we decided with the Ultimate Edition to include as many of the older Harpoon versions as we could fit into a single release. This allows us to meet the needs of both parts of the community – those that want the simulation to advance and those that want compatibility with older databases and scenarios.

It’s also worth noting that in the past, we have heard a great deal from people who have never been to sea, who have never been trained as naval (or air) professionals, have never programmed or created a full database, with strongly worded opinions on how our simulation is supposed to behave. While constructive feedback from our customers is always welcome, we believe that the work by Bond and Carlson should be our guide in terms of how the simulation should work. As many Harpoon fans are aware, this community has seen some very unfortunate events in its history that have given rise to online flame wars, personal attacks and questions of intellectual property; both between community members and in terms of some copyrighted materials. We hope to see the end of this with the steps we are taking for the Ultimate Edition release and for the future of Harpoon. We want to make it clear that we will not accept non-constructive feedback on our official forums in the future. However well intended or misguided, this has caused harm to the game and the community and we will not allow that to continue.

As far as the User Interface goes and overall game functionality – we really do want useful feedback and ideas. We want databases, scenarios, and artwork. Our new encryption feature will help protect an author’s investment in their database work, so that there should be no future concerns about data being stolen or "borrowed". We can also add scenario encryption if need be (ditto for original artwork).

Now as far as defects are concerned, there is a right way and a wrong way to report these. First, due to our limited resources and the seemingly endless permutations of data and game engines once third party databases and scenarios are added to the mix, we will automatically reject any claimed defects on our sites if they are not reproduced in the ANWDB or the HUD3 databases. We will take responsibility for correcting those defects that can be reproduced in one of the two aforementioned databases with the latest official release. We reserve the right to reclassify defects into bugs (something we’ll prioritize for fixing), feature requests (stuff that folks want but the game doesn’t currently have), user knowledge (i.e. user doesn’t understand how the model works) and unsupported functionality (a user who does something with the game or scenario editor that we hadn’t thought of and thus hadn’t tested).

Secondly, to report a defect, we kindly request that you use this template. If you are consistent in the quality of your reporting we will set you up with direct access to our web based bug tracker "Mantis".
1. Database name and version
2. Scenario name
3. Screen shot(s)
4. Expected behavior
5. Witnessed behavior
6. Desired behavior
7. Notes
8. Any saved games, scenario files, and logs zipped up and emailed to us can only help.

Generally speaking, the operating system or computer configuration has nothing to do with how the simulation runs, so these are not crucial details for our purposes.

Allow us to explain how this works. First, we have very limited resources due to the very small audience of bright people who really understand modern air/naval warfare and buy a Harpoon product every few years. As a consequence, our underpaid programmer(s) really don’t enjoy hunting through 15-year-old C++ code originally written by a previous development team on a death march without a clear report to guide them. They would rather be adding new features and functionality. So, the clearer the report, the easier it is to reproduce the defect, the more likely it is that it will be found and fixed. At the end of the day we only have so much time.

This also goes for our forums. As we explained above, we will no longer be accepting lists of bugs related to third party unofficial databases or scenarios. If you find an issue, please duplicate it with an official database and scenario before reporting it and please report it as noted above. Otherwise, you’ll have to seek out the owner of that third party product for assistance.

We want to provide the best possible simulation given the resource limitations. If you want to help, work with us, not against us. We have a long history of volunteers making a positive difference, politely and professionally. Our volunteers have received written credit, some swag, bragging rights, and a few even made some beer money for their efforts. We need scenario authors, database editors/authors, artists, testers and maybe some day, investors. Part of our philosophy and the policy stated above is to give credit to, and work with the members of our community who have put in their time to support Harpoon and who are willing to work with us as we continue to improve.
Thank you for reading this long post and we hope that you at least understand the basis for our decisions. And for those who agree that we are on the right track, there is still plenty of work to do. We believe the new features and content in the upcoming Harpoon: Ultimate Edition, which we will be providing much more detail on in the next few weeks, will open up new avenues in your air/naval simulation experience.


10 Responses to “Matrix to release combined ANW/HCE pack”

  1. rkoelbach on July 3rd, 2010 4:50 am

    This could be interesting for all those guys who are still asking for good old H3 3.6, but don´t get one.

    Buying the package for this sole purpose is certainly expensive, but it could be thrilling to play all those great scens written with 3.6 for db2000, published on this site.

    It also gives a real chance to compare 3.6 with ANW = 3.7+ on your own.

  2. Bundy on July 3rd, 2010 7:33 am

    Yeah maybe but its an old game. You’re a saint for trying to help them out. I can only hope that our base will be a supportive as you are.

  3. rkoelbach on July 3rd, 2010 7:40 am

    Hi Mike,

    no worries, those guys buying it and asking for help will get it. I hink there are more guys on this site playing 3.6 until Red Pill is out.

  4. Bundy on July 3rd, 2010 9:40 am

    We’ll see. Just hope for the best whatever your thing is.

  5. rkoelbach on July 5th, 2010 12:04 am

    I´m optimistic. Just totally overhauled another GCB2 scen, Samurai. Endless joy working with a modern GUI. Same will certainly be with Red Pill. So, any naval wargamer open for new things looks into a bright future! 🙂

  6. Bundy on July 5th, 2010 8:20 am

    Oh I think we know what you are Ralf. Look forward to your GCB scenario.

  7. rkoelbach on July 5th, 2010 12:36 pm

    thx for your kind words. That would be great, if you could spend some minutes in trying them out. They all will come out with 1.14.

    Ops, this thread was about Harpoon UE and we´re talking about GCB2 and Red Pill…sorry, readers…

  8. Bundy on July 5th, 2010 1:11 pm

    We’ll always spend time for people and projects that are worth it. Dewitt is a great guy and earned our time.

  9. rkoelbach on July 11th, 2010 1:28 pm

    Yes, Dewitt really is a nice guy. Ok, Mike thx for you offer. If 1.14 is out and the scens are out I´ll come back to it.

  10. Bundy on July 11th, 2010 1:35 pm

    Can’t wait 🙂

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